The commanding role of carriers is the ability to use fighters. That is the defining ability of the carrier class.

It's not going anywhere.

When considering new roles and uses for SuperCarriers and Titans their current build costs are too restrictive. Very few organizations can afford to use and lose them even with current incomes, and rental incomes will likely be shrinking soon. This means they are only used sparingly or in overwhelming numbers.

Accept the fact that "proliferation" has already happened and embrace it. Revamp their roles so they are used in combat regularly and die all the time. Reduce their build costs significantly. Imagine supercarrier hulls cost maybe 3-4 bil and Titan hulls 7-9 bil. This would open up a new spectrum of roles in fleet combat previously thought impossible. True, it would reduce the exhilaration in killing one, but at this price point they would be dying in actual combat much more frequently. At their current price point the only possible role they can play in combat is a role where they have an astronomically small chance of actually dying. Also, Sov holders wouldn't feel the need to blue everyone within 9 regions in order to protect their CSAA towers.

When the changes go live compensate all previous owners currently flying super hulls by giving them spare hulls through the Redeem system so that their net investment of minerals is conserved.

As I recall Manny (or Elise?) saying, "the price of admission to a good fight is the ship you are in." Much more dynamic and interesting roles could appear more palatable if the build costs were tailored around the philosophy that they could be used in risky situations and lost frequently without crushing the soul.

Does anyone remember why the XL turrets had reduced tracking and the penalty from siege removed?

The core role of dreads was structure bashing, and one of the main roles of carriers is to repair said structures. Both jobs are obsolete after Fozziesov.

I'm starting to think dreads and carriers need be scaled down in terms of tank DPS and reps more toward current subcap levels, it would leave more room for other buffs to put them in a place that's a step or two above, rather than a whole leap ahead.

Why do you say that?

Agree with this man. On more than one occasion.

Twelve times the DPS of a battleship for a sieged dread - that figure they came up with out of nowhere, and it all escalated from there.

Instead of rebalancing structures after the establishment of the capital ship concept, in effect they scaled everything up, the epitome of which was to change the anti-blob role of Titans to 420swagy0l0n0scope for the myriad of cap ships that there were now.

TL;DR 6 years later, and back to 2008 levels of player activity here we are.

I'd love to see a Nestor fit that can fit a minimum of three reps and run them cap stable, even with a cap buddy.

It also needs to have a heavy tank (150k+ EhP before links), fit at least one scan res scripted Sebo, and MWD. You can assume the MWD only needs pulsing.

So I can bring two fit Triage carriers (before insurance return), or around 6 Triage carriers (after insurance return) for the price of a single decent logi BS that has less EHP than a standard fleet Dominix, a 25 Km rep range, and repairs less than a single triage rep?

*Start Sarcasm* It's a wonder Nestors are not more popular with these sort of qualifications. *End Sarcasm*

Well I think we have established that there's a reason the Nestor is not used as a common armor logi in BS fleets. I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

That being said, thanks for actually going out and finding the fit.

2.33 Bil for a repping BS though is crazytrain.